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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.vinylonthe.net/blah/my-legal-battle-with-streamlinenet/comment-page-2/#comment-1512</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right where do i start

1) No email or any correspondence when your domain/hosting is up for renewal and how much, and no guidelines of how to cancel if you don&#039;t want it anymore.

2) Automatically take money from your account without permission.

3) If your card details are out of date thankfully they can&#039;t take the money for the renewal.  However there is no if you wish to cancel do this and there is no mention of how much the renewal would cost.

4) Very very unhelpful customer service staff when you phone them.

5) Apparently there is no supervisors when you ask to speak to one.

6) Phone lines are awful when you call them and most of the time you can&#039;t hear the person on the other end, get fed up of asking them to speak into the mouth piece.

7) If you want to cancel they don&#039;t refund.  Would a car insurance company sell you a policy then if you cancel days later keep your money, NO they wouldn&#039;t.

These guys are committing daylight robbery if you want to cancel something you should just be able to cancel it.

I have dealt with other companies and they send you renewal notices advising you that in 30 days it will expire and they also say if you want to cancel follow the following procedure.

This company is also owned by Fasthosts but when i spoke to them they didn&#039;t want to know.  All they said was that streamline was owned by them but traded independently.

All I want to do is cancel all my domain packages and get the hell away from them and even that is proving harder than finding rocking horse SH@T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right where do i start</p>
<p>1) No email or any correspondence when your domain/hosting is up for renewal and how much, and no guidelines of how to cancel if you don&#8217;t want it anymore.</p>
<p>2) Automatically take money from your account without permission.</p>
<p>3) If your card details are out of date thankfully they can&#8217;t take the money for the renewal.  However there is no if you wish to cancel do this and there is no mention of how much the renewal would cost.</p>
<p>4) Very very unhelpful customer service staff when you phone them.</p>
<p>5) Apparently there is no supervisors when you ask to speak to one.</p>
<p>6) Phone lines are awful when you call them and most of the time you can&#8217;t hear the person on the other end, get fed up of asking them to speak into the mouth piece.</p>
<p>7) If you want to cancel they don&#8217;t refund.  Would a car insurance company sell you a policy then if you cancel days later keep your money, NO they wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>These guys are committing daylight robbery if you want to cancel something you should just be able to cancel it.</p>
<p>I have dealt with other companies and they send you renewal notices advising you that in 30 days it will expire and they also say if you want to cancel follow the following procedure.</p>
<p>This company is also owned by Fasthosts but when i spoke to them they didn&#8217;t want to know.  All they said was that streamline was owned by them but traded independently.</p>
<p>All I want to do is cancel all my domain packages and get the hell away from them and even that is proving harder than finding rocking horse SH@T</p>
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		<title>By: Streamline.net protest sites &#171; Streamline.net reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streamline.net protest sites &#171; Streamline.net reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t know that my contract was going to be renewed automatically without any written notice, and today 23-02-2010 when i was going to change my hosting package i was informed by a technical help desk that my hosting and domain contract has been automatically renewed for another 2 years and i have an out standing bill off £127 , good thing was they were not able to take the money out my card because i lost my card some time ago and the card number was changed .  is it not the uk law to let the customer know before the contract is to renewed ...?, could some one please advice me on how to overcome this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t know that my contract was going to be renewed automatically without any written notice, and today 23-02-2010 when i was going to change my hosting package i was informed by a technical help desk that my hosting and domain contract has been automatically renewed for another 2 years and i have an out standing bill off £127 , good thing was they were not able to take the money out my card because i lost my card some time ago and the card number was changed .  is it not the uk law to let the customer know before the contract is to renewed &#8230;?, could some one please advice me on how to overcome this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: selina</title>
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		<dc:creator>selina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi i want to cancel my site and just was looking for the terms and came across this website. i&#039;m really scared now. i just sent them an email through webmail saying that i wanted to cancel my account immediately, as i will soon have to pay for the next two years. when they say written notice do they mean by letter??? or is the email i gave them ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi i want to cancel my site and just was looking for the terms and came across this website. i&#8217;m really scared now. i just sent them an email through webmail saying that i wanted to cancel my account immediately, as i will soon have to pay for the next two years. when they say written notice do they mean by letter??? or is the email i gave them ok?</p>
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		<title>By: ZipDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZipDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, who recently contacted me, found the vregistrant of her domain name is in fact Dollamore Ltd. So the streamline.net T &amp; C lies blatantly when it says you will own your domain name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, who recently contacted me, found the vregistrant of her domain name is in fact Dollamore Ltd. So the streamline.net T &amp; C lies blatantly when it says you will own your domain name.</p>
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		<title>By: SnoozMooz</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnoozMooz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... No luck there, I am yet another victum of the streamline scam! I don&#039;t trust them enough to let them keep my bank details and other card details so i&#039;ve cut up and cancelled my card with my bank just to be on the safeside. Never again with these cowboys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; No luck there, I am yet another victum of the streamline scam! I don&#8217;t trust them enough to let them keep my bank details and other card details so i&#8217;ve cut up and cancelled my card with my bank just to be on the safeside. Never again with these cowboys!</p>
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		<title>By: SnoozMooz</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnoozMooz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just noticed in my account today that on the 18th Jan 2010, they&#039;ve taken out £62 without emailing me with any notification. This was for a &quot;renewal&quot; or domain name and service hosting but they&#039;ve never informed me of a renewal or asked me for consent or asked me if i even wanted a renewal. I&#039;m really scared as to what they&#039;ll try and do. But how incredibly sneaky is that of them to just take out money without notifying me 1st!?!?! I&#039;m going to ring them up later today and try and get my money back! I&#039;m really gobsmacked! Wish me all the luck in the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just noticed in my account today that on the 18th Jan 2010, they&#8217;ve taken out £62 without emailing me with any notification. This was for a &#8220;renewal&#8221; or domain name and service hosting but they&#8217;ve never informed me of a renewal or asked me for consent or asked me if i even wanted a renewal. I&#8217;m really scared as to what they&#8217;ll try and do. But how incredibly sneaky is that of them to just take out money without notifying me 1st!?!?! I&#8217;m going to ring them up later today and try and get my money back! I&#8217;m really gobsmacked! Wish me all the luck in the world!</p>
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		<title>By: ZipDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZipDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Consumer protection laws forbid the &#039;booby trapping&#039; of customers; that is, all terms and conditions have to be up-front and visible. This is the law recognising that an act of faith and trust exists on a customer&#039;s part inasmuch customers take for granted that the company being dealt with will respect that trust and do nothing underhand, use no &#039;booby traps&#039; as the law commands.

The expectation of &#039;fair and above board dealing is therefore a statutory right in consumer protection law, and cannot be undermined, and any attempt to so do is is an offence in law. Anybody or company that publishes anything that attempts to undermine a statutory right is committing a CRIMINAL OFFENCE, and is therefore indictable. T &amp; Cs like the ones you quote from streamline.net are an offence against consumer protection law. In quoting their T &amp; Cs in attempting to deny you the statutory right to cancel a contract where for example customer support is not fit for purpose, the streamline.net T &amp; Cs  may be considered as publishing of material that attempts to undermine to negate your statutory right to cancel a contract where customer support is not fit for purpose.  

Keep your emails showing this attempt and tell them they are committing a criminal offence in publishing to undermine and negate a statutory right, your statutory right to so cancel.

The act of taking money from your account without your knowledge expectation nopr consent is a cotravention of The Theft, a criminal offence punishable by up to ten years in prison.

And what I have said above are only some of laws peope who go down the route of &#039;booby trapping&#039; T &amp; C are breaking, and which are meant to stop such activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Consumer protection laws forbid the &#8216;booby trapping&#8217; of customers; that is, all terms and conditions have to be up-front and visible. This is the law recognising that an act of faith and trust exists on a customer&#8217;s part inasmuch customers take for granted that the company being dealt with will respect that trust and do nothing underhand, use no &#8216;booby traps&#8217; as the law commands.</p>
<p>The expectation of &#8216;fair and above board dealing is therefore a statutory right in consumer protection law, and cannot be undermined, and any attempt to so do is is an offence in law. Anybody or company that publishes anything that attempts to undermine a statutory right is committing a CRIMINAL OFFENCE, and is therefore indictable. T &amp; Cs like the ones you quote from streamline.net are an offence against consumer protection law. In quoting their T &amp; Cs in attempting to deny you the statutory right to cancel a contract where for example customer support is not fit for purpose, the streamline.net T &amp; Cs  may be considered as publishing of material that attempts to undermine to negate your statutory right to cancel a contract where customer support is not fit for purpose.  </p>
<p>Keep your emails showing this attempt and tell them they are committing a criminal offence in publishing to undermine and negate a statutory right, your statutory right to so cancel.</p>
<p>The act of taking money from your account without your knowledge expectation nopr consent is a cotravention of The Theft, a criminal offence punishable by up to ten years in prison.</p>
<p>And what I have said above are only some of laws peope who go down the route of &#8216;booby trapping&#8217; T &amp; C are breaking, and which are meant to stop such activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Whiteley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Whiteley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have (am) just falling fowl of streamlines auto renewal policy. I had no contact from them stating the account was up for renewal and no indication of when they would charge my card and for how much. I managed to send them a ticket on the renewal date (more luck than judgment) stating that I did not wish for another two year contract but they ignored this ticket all together and charged me just over £86. Money I fear I will not see again!

Looking over their terms seems to indicate that 

7.1    Customers may not cancel their Service/s during the term of service;  
- ok so you have to wait till the service is up yes! er no...

7.1    Customers may not cancel their Service/s during the term of service;  
- sorry I thought they said I couldn&#039;t cancel within the terms of service!

6.5    YOU AGREE THAT YOU THE CUSTOMER ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT YOUR SERVICES ARE RENEWED

But clearly your not as they do it without consent!

I fear a long battle that I will only win in two years when they have no info of me or my card!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have (am) just falling fowl of streamlines auto renewal policy. I had no contact from them stating the account was up for renewal and no indication of when they would charge my card and for how much. I managed to send them a ticket on the renewal date (more luck than judgment) stating that I did not wish for another two year contract but they ignored this ticket all together and charged me just over £86. Money I fear I will not see again!</p>
<p>Looking over their terms seems to indicate that </p>
<p>7.1    Customers may not cancel their Service/s during the term of service;<br />
- ok so you have to wait till the service is up yes! er no&#8230;</p>
<p>7.1    Customers may not cancel their Service/s during the term of service;<br />
- sorry I thought they said I couldn&#8217;t cancel within the terms of service!</p>
<p>6.5    YOU AGREE THAT YOU THE CUSTOMER ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT YOUR SERVICES ARE RENEWED</p>
<p>But clearly your not as they do it without consent!</p>
<p>I fear a long battle that I will only win in two years when they have no info of me or my card!</p>
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		<title>By: John Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fell for the same 3 month trial trick as so many others, but after 2 months I got the £115 they took charged back to my account and I hope that&#039;s the last I hear of it.

I can&#039;t believe Streamline has been allowed to stay in business after years of abusing its customers&#039; trust like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fell for the same 3 month trial trick as so many others, but after 2 months I got the £115 they took charged back to my account and I hope that&#8217;s the last I hear of it.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe Streamline has been allowed to stay in business after years of abusing its customers&#8217; trust like this.</p>
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